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I... I still can barely believe, barely understand... that it really happened.
Scratch that.
I believe.
I understand.
It happened.

It has been, enlightening to read all my friends on LJ, their responses to this.
A few celebrate this, which hurts me, but if it is so with them, then who am I to change them?
Some don't care, which saddens me, but that's okay, it's their choice.
Many many more do care. They look at their feelings, the deeper meaning of it, the possible future.

Something I see as an extremely common theme...
Don't hate them. Don't sink to their level. Don't turn and attack.

I understand the feelings of pacafism, if not somewhat distantly.
But at the same moment... I scream inwardly.
As I told [livejournal.com profile] dracumancer:
"Later perhaps, my fear and injury within will have calmed enough to look at this deeper than anger, injury, vengance, sadness, and political future predictions. I want to look into my veiw of this from philisophy. I can't at the moment.

As I said to someone earlier, one good thing will come of this, "The nation will come together." Unfortuneately, it will likely be under as you put it, bloodlust. I hate that. But I also know it to be true. I want blood for blood right now. It's a part of me that I love and hate at once. Life is valuable no matter what. Innocents should never be harmed. Those who harm innocents, deserve wrath. My wrath is that of a warrior, If you recall that long ago post of mine. My life means little, but anything is worth protecting (or as was left out, avenging) the lives of innocents, especially ones that fall under my protection. This is my birth country, terrible as it is at times, and thusly my innocents."


I am angry. I will admit it openly. I believe I have right to be so.

Everyone who speaks softly saying not to be angry, not to wish for vengance, I have trouble comprehending you. I'm sorry for this. I know it is not a good thing.
I do not hate middle-easterners, I have no problem with anyone until they cause harm to another. The entire nation, the entire area did not do this to us. I do not blame them.

However, It was done to us by someone. The ones who did this, whoever they may be, should pay for their actions. If we do not retaliate, if we do not attack those responsible, when will we defend ourselves? When someone comes and destroys all of Washington because, hey, we will yell and cry and fix ourselves without help, but we don't fight back, is that when maybe you will consider attacking in return. How many must die before it's worth the effort to people to try to do something to stop it? If anyone thinks that wouldn't eventualy happen if we do nothing, explain to me why wouldn't they? I believe I have trouble understanding.

I do not wish to blindly kill, but vengance has its place, war and blood still have their place. It is not a pretty or nice idea, but it is a fact. I see people saying that killing has never solved anything. I hate to say this, but just as we don't know whether or not this would have happened had these terrorists been assasinated years ago, or this wouldn't of happened if we had kept our nose out of other countries' buisness, we cannot say with certainty that killing has never accomplished anything. If some wars had not been fought, if some people hadn't been killed, where would the world be today? Hitler, and whoever the hell else I can't think of, did killing them really accomplish nothing? Am I to honestly believe people like that would've stopped if we just go "mean, bad person, but I'm not going to fight, because killing is wrong"?
An extreme example, I know, but is this not an extreme time?
Before you run around condemning others for violent thoughts, consider the possiblities of what will happen if there is no violence?

Date: 2001-09-12 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dracumancer.livejournal.com
brings to mind a line from a fable i read last year

"The strongest reasons yield to reasons of the strongest."

I would love to think that if we could sit down with these people, that we could come to a resolution that would avert further violence. But it doesn't always work that way. Sometimes we must fight to protect what is.

Date: 2001-09-12 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfgrove.livejournal.com
Yes. Unfortuneately. Sometimes fighting is the only option. Time will tell here.

I'm sorry to be an example of blood wishing among your friends list. I must seem a monster to you as I'm sure I do to others.

Forgive my weakness. The virtue that is the urge to protect, too easily becomes the urge to avenge when protection fails.
I can't change my thoughts right now.
I'm not sure I want to sometimes. Vengance, when not misplaced or overdone, does not seem to be a thing of darkness to me. Perhaps I am dark.

I want to yell at those who say the actions of the terrorists were pure evil. Such a thing exists no more. The fact is, to them, they were carrying out the proper thing, doing good. To them, we were the evil. Good and evil are perspective.

Once again, I'm sorry to be a dark spot among your friends.

Date: 2001-09-12 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dracumancer.livejournal.com
You're a lot better than most of the country right now. At least you know that it must be tempered so that innocent people don't die.

You aren't a dark spot. It just shows that (rightfully) this has angered people.

Date: 2001-09-12 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfgrove.livejournal.com
You're very kind.
Thank you.

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