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I am nearly to the end of the audio CDs of Pride & Prejudice, I expect I'll finish it on the drive home tonight. This far in, I think I've figured out what so caught me about the book and it's characters.
In a truly typical turn of myself, I find that I identify with (not the female lead, but rather) the male lead, Mr. Darcy.
I expect most of you who have known me for any amount of time can trace the match-ups in philosophy. I have, for one, an idiotic amount of pride about my family and friends as well as the history of my family and my own philosophies. And even more than that, I know this first quote in particular rehashes what many of you know all too well about me.
     "I am perfectly convinced by it that Mr. Darcy has no defect. He owns it himself without disguise."
     "No," said Darcy, "I have made no such pretension. I have faults enough, but they are not, I hope, of understanding. My temper I dare not vouch for. It is, I believe, too little yielding-- certainly too little for the convenience of the world. I cannot forget the follies and vices of others so soon as I ought, nor their offenses against myself. My feelings are not puffed about with every attempt to move them. My temper would perhaps be called resentful. My good opinion once lost, is lost forever."
     "That is a failing indeed!" cried Elizabeth. "Implacable resentment is a shade in a character. But you have chosen your fault well. I really cannot laugh at it. You are safe from me."
     "There is, I believe, in every disposition a tendency to some particular evil-- a natural defect, which not even the best education can overcome."
     "And your defect is a propensity to hate everybody."
     "And yours," he replied with a smile, "is willfully to misunderstand them."

Pride & Prejudice Chapter 11


     "I remember hearing you once say, Mr. Darcy, that you hardly ever forgave, that your resentment once created was unappeasable. You are very cautious, I suppose, as to its being created."
Pride & Prejudice Chapter 18


     "It is particularly incumbent on those who never change their opinion, to be secure of judging properly at first."
Pride & Prejudice Chapter 18


     "May I ask to what these questions tend?"
     "Merely to the illustration of your character," said she, endeavouring to shake off her gravity. "I am trying to make it out."
     "And what is your success?"
     She shook her head. "I do not get on at all. I hear such different accounts of you as puzzle me exceedingly."
[...]
     "I can readily believe," answered he gravely, "that reports may vary greatly with respect to me; and I could wish, Miss Bennet, that you were not to sketch my character at the present moment, as there is reason to fear that the performance would reflect no credit on either."
     "But if I do not take your likeness now, I may never have another opportunity."

Pride & Prejudice Chapter 18

Hahaha. Too accurate. I am not very swift to a genuine and serious loss of temper (most of the time), but it is a deep and long burning thing once it starts. As I said back during the debacle with Melissa years ago, "I hold grudges." Quite strongly and for a very long time.
And in my experience, once I have decided I dislike a person's general character, it takes the movement of mountains to make me reconsider them.

Haha. Darcy. It just figures.

EDIT: This entry has been modified and made public because I thought of an interesting aside to the subject.

So, query. Does the fact that I have such an unforgiving attitude in these sorts (see bolded above) of things make me a bad person? I know it is a bad trait, but I cannot bring myself to even want to fix it about myself. Does that, in and of itself and ignoring my other malfunctions of personality, make me a bad person, or is it a somewhat pardonable defect to have. Or does the fact that I do not regret having such a defect make it all the worse and all the more unforgiveable?
On that matter, what are forgiveable and unforgivable defects of personality in your experience?

Date: 2008-12-10 12:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asatira.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Darcy is the thing that stands out for this book. He was fun, if a little insufferable, but I could easily side with him.

Date: 2008-12-10 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfgrove.livejournal.com
Agreed.

(P.S. I've modified the entry to invite discussion.)

Date: 2008-12-10 01:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eveshka.livejournal.com
...have you watched Lost in Austen?

Date: 2008-12-10 01:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfgrove.livejournal.com
I have not. It's good I assume?

(P.S. I've modified the entry to invite discussion.)

Date: 2008-12-10 01:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eveshka.livejournal.com
XD

I've not seen much, but it was highly recommended by my boss at Anime Weekend Atlanta, and he and I have similar tastes in television. I'm literally 3 minutes in and I already sympathise with the heroine.

Date: 2008-12-10 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfgrove.livejournal.com
It's a TV series then? I'll try checking it out. Thanks!

Date: 2008-12-10 03:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyro-ike.livejournal.com
SO wait.. unforgiving of the unforgiving, or unforgiving in the way Darcy describes?

While it's a bad trait, it doesn't make you a bad person. It might say that you're careful of your associations, or that you don't put up with bullshit from annoying people.

Even if you do hold grudges, it's at least better that they take time to form. Then it's a matter of using your judgment based on their repeated actions, rather than jumping to a conclusion on the nature of the person. If you did regret doing so, you could probably force a change and begin to forgive people their offenses.
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My defects of personality probably involve overthinking things, and letting the paranoia that I have already committed some grave offense prevent me from taking further action. I'm working on that, though.

Date: 2008-12-10 05:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfgrove.livejournal.com
Unforgiving in the way that Darcy describes.

Haha. Well, if it did make me a bad person, there'd be no helping it, since I am happy with the sort of person that I am.

Eh, my primary defects are pride, temper, and holding grudges (or "implacable resentment" as Austen put it). It takes a bit to get that sort of real hate from me, but it happens and there are a few fast ways to get to it.

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I don't think over-thinking is that bad a trait. Although, letting the paranoia go to far might need some work.

Date: 2008-12-10 05:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyro-ike.livejournal.com
Believe me, I'm working on it. Worrying that you've already failed is no way to go through life.

Date: 2008-12-10 05:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elfgrove.livejournal.com
I believe in you. :)

Date: 2008-12-11 12:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pyro-ike.livejournal.com
And I believe in you who believes in me! ;)

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