elfgrove: (Default)
I'm sure that in recent weeks, we've all recieved a lot of e-mail related to Tuesday's attacks. And i'm sure many of you have seen this one inparticular. I got one I wasn't very sure of on October 11th, no offense to the sender, i'm just skeptical of e-mail forwards, and have recieved a second, similar one today.
Honestly, i'm not sure what to think. The stories are slightly different, and seem to originate with two different people. It makes it hard for me to trust.
Can other people give me thier opinions?

The Emails:

> > Karen please pass this along to Cheryl. I think they have changed
>e-mail addys and I do not have the newer one. I will tell MA and PA.
> > >
> > > Good Morning All,
> > >
> > > I have a sister who works in the Atlanta School Systems, she told me
>yesterday that one of the teachers that she works with told her that she
>has
>a friend who was dating a person from Afghanistan. They are no longer
>dating but remained friends. This friend sent her a note telling her not
>to
>go to any of the malls on October 31 (Halloween). She gave the note to the
>FBI, they are taking it very seriously. I am telling you this so that you
>will do the same, take it very seriously. I don't know if this friend was
>just refering to the Atlanta area or all over the U.S. I am telling as
>many
>people as I can. I don't want anything to happen to you or anyone in your
>family. Please be careful. All this information comes from a very
>reliable
>source. Please pass this information on to everyone you know.
> > >
> > > "UNITED WE STAND"
> > >
> > > Take care and God Bless,
> > > Darlene M. Vintes
> > > KMC Telecom, Inc.
> > > Purchasing Supervisor

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>
> Hi All -
> I think you all know that I don't send out hoaxes and don't do the
> reactionary thing and send out anything that crosses my path.
>
> This one, however, is a friend of a friend and I've given it enough
> credibility in my mind that I'm writing it up and sending it out to all
> of you.
>
> My friend's friend was dating a guy from Afghanistan up until a month
> ago. She had a date with him around 9/6 and was stood up. She was
> understandably upset and went to his home to find it completely emptied.
> On 9/10, she received a letter from her boyfriend explaining that he
> wished he could tell her why he had left and that he was sorry it had to
> be like that. The part worth mentioning is that he BEGGED her not to
> get on any commercial airlines on 9/11 and to not to go any malls on
> Halloween. As soon as everything happened on the 11th, she called the
> FBI and has since turned over the letter.
>
> This is not an email that I've received and decided to pass on. This
> came from a phone conversation with a long-time friend of mine last
> night.
>
> I may be wrong, and I hope I am. However, with one of his warnings
> being correct and devastating, I'm not willing to take the chance on the
> second and wanted to make sure that people I cared about had the same
> information that I did.
>
> Laura Katsis
> Implementation Specialist
elfgrove: (Humans...)
I... I still can barely believe, barely understand... that it really happened.
Scratch that.
I believe.
I understand.
It happened.

It has been, enlightening to read all my friends on LJ, their responses to this.
A few celebrate this, which hurts me, but if it is so with them, then who am I to change them?
Some don't care, which saddens me, but that's okay, it's their choice.
Many many more do care. They look at their feelings, the deeper meaning of it, the possible future.

Something I see as an extremely common theme...
Don't hate them. Don't sink to their level. Don't turn and attack.

I understand the feelings of pacafism, if not somewhat distantly.
But at the same moment... I scream inwardly.
As I told [livejournal.com profile] dracumancer:
"Later perhaps, my fear and injury within will have calmed enough to look at this deeper than anger, injury, vengance, sadness, and political future predictions. I want to look into my veiw of this from philisophy. I can't at the moment.

As I said to someone earlier, one good thing will come of this, "The nation will come together." Unfortuneately, it will likely be under as you put it, bloodlust. I hate that. But I also know it to be true. I want blood for blood right now. It's a part of me that I love and hate at once. Life is valuable no matter what. Innocents should never be harmed. Those who harm innocents, deserve wrath. My wrath is that of a warrior, If you recall that long ago post of mine. My life means little, but anything is worth protecting (or as was left out, avenging) the lives of innocents, especially ones that fall under my protection. This is my birth country, terrible as it is at times, and thusly my innocents."


I am angry. I will admit it openly. I believe I have right to be so.

Everyone who speaks softly saying not to be angry, not to wish for vengance, I have trouble comprehending you. I'm sorry for this. I know it is not a good thing.
I do not hate middle-easterners, I have no problem with anyone until they cause harm to another. The entire nation, the entire area did not do this to us. I do not blame them.

However, It was done to us by someone. The ones who did this, whoever they may be, should pay for their actions. If we do not retaliate, if we do not attack those responsible, when will we defend ourselves? When someone comes and destroys all of Washington because, hey, we will yell and cry and fix ourselves without help, but we don't fight back, is that when maybe you will consider attacking in return. How many must die before it's worth the effort to people to try to do something to stop it? If anyone thinks that wouldn't eventualy happen if we do nothing, explain to me why wouldn't they? I believe I have trouble understanding.

I do not wish to blindly kill, but vengance has its place, war and blood still have their place. It is not a pretty or nice idea, but it is a fact. I see people saying that killing has never solved anything. I hate to say this, but just as we don't know whether or not this would have happened had these terrorists been assasinated years ago, or this wouldn't of happened if we had kept our nose out of other countries' buisness, we cannot say with certainty that killing has never accomplished anything. If some wars had not been fought, if some people hadn't been killed, where would the world be today? Hitler, and whoever the hell else I can't think of, did killing them really accomplish nothing? Am I to honestly believe people like that would've stopped if we just go "mean, bad person, but I'm not going to fight, because killing is wrong"?
An extreme example, I know, but is this not an extreme time?
Before you run around condemning others for violent thoughts, consider the possiblities of what will happen if there is no violence?
elfgrove: (Default)
What A Day...

I woke up for class this morning, I got ready, I checked my webcomics and e-mail... I still had time. What the hell, let's flick on the news. Okay, well. Lets see... This is the world trade center, a small plane crashed into it this moring about 5-10 minutes ago. Shit. That's some mistake... Damned big gaping hole... How could they? I wonder if it's a terrorist attack?
Hey Mom. The World Trade Center's been hit by a plane.
What?! You're kidding!?
No. It's... Mom, wait a sec... There's a sec...
Okay I'm holding.
Oh look, there's a plane. Pretty big, what the hell's it doing? ... Oh gods... It's it's going to...
"Ahhhh!!!!! A second plane has just hit the other tower! A second plane! Oh god. I think it's a 747. It was a big plane."
Oh shit. Oh shit. Mom, it's a terrorist attack.
What? You sure?
Yeah. A second plane just hit the other tower.
What a way to start the morning.

Well that was how things began for me. Shortly after, I got Beau over so that he could watch, since he has no channels at his place. We sat in my living room in shock, me on and off the phone with Mom. The Pentagon was hit. An explosion on the lower part of the second tower, sends it crumbling. I'm on the phone the moment it happens. As I relay it to Mom, she relays back from Kathleen that it's now only 5 floors. My entire family takes it pretty hard. We're all pretty involved with govt. facilities. We may get pissed with it a lot, but we are too closely involved in it, all our friends and family work indirectly or directly for it. I was terrified something would happen to them. Skipping class was highly tempting.
One thing Mom told me this morning, that I won't soon forget, "Becky, you know how your generation keeps saying nothing major has happened in their time... You can shut up now." Heh... No kidding.

After the tower fell, I had to head to class. Beau walked with me, and I left my TV recording. My comment, "By the Gods... This is nigh impossible." I recalled how great Of timing I always had for these things. The night of princess Dianna's death and the olympic bombing, my little bro and I just happened to be pulling an all-nighter and caught it all before most anyone knew. Now, I just got ready in time to see the second plane come in. And people ask why I hate to watch the news. Nothing but bad.

A girl in my Calc.2 class, a navy rotc kid, was in tears, angry, hurt, panicked. She had new news, there was a fire somewhere in the US treasury, no idea where or how, and a white jet had been seen cricling and flying around in strange patterns near the White House. No one knew what it was, no one knew where it went. I can't blame her. I was that way inside, but I'm pretty damned stubborn about showing it. Kayla came in, she knew nothing, we informed her. The rotc girl and I agreed, the US needed to get off it's high horse and realize 1) we need to fund the military, 2) assassination is necessary in politics.
Between Calc and Phys2, Kayla and i used her phone (my phone refused to work) to contact family. Between Mom and friends in class, I learned: the death poll surpassed Pearl Harbor, several planes were still missing from where they had grounded everything in the US, there had been something in Pittsburg, another plane had attempted to hit Camp David, and my cousin Johnny, a commercial pilot, we had no idea where he was.
I had trouble concentrating. After class, I headed to English. Before class started, contacted mom again. The other WTC tower was down. Mom was home, all of redstone arsenal and MSFC was shut down. In Palestine, there was celebrating in the streets; sickening bastards. Johhny was safe and on the ground in San Fran, and cousin Sarah was uncontactable, but shouldn't be in any danger(wasn't concerned). Ben mocked me as Mom and I traded updates. Ben is lucky he wasn't killed.
After that class, Matt and I hit Foy for lunch... Everyone was crowded around the tv, usually inaudable due to conversations, it projected over the entire room clearly as they repeated what we already knew. I called Mom to check in, no changes. She and I agreed on one thing, this could very well create a WW3. Matt came up with one great metaphor or all of it: "I'ts like being hit in the back of the head with a snowball, then turning around and seeing no one there. We're pissed as hell, and don't know who did it."
After my last class, I called in again, everyone was home or in route. Good. I came home and started printing out reports from my comp, checking LJ, memory marking posts on it. I called to check on Rob. He was okay, sounded a bit stressed, but apparently that was just an infection. I'm glad to know my loved ones are safe. Thank the Gods for that. Steven came by my apt. apparently, his car was towed by northcutt, oh well. Bush addresses the nation at 7 or 8pm tonight my time. all borders are now closed. We're just waiting for the right target to begin a war. By policy, an attack on the Pentagon is conbsidered an act of war. Great...

Dusty, yeah, maybe this'll be just a statistic one day, but right now, its a very important day for our generation and our country. It's important to me. It's horrifying, and yet, I'm not completely shocked.
Carrot, I know your sick of the reports, sorry, stop watching then. This is something major for some of us.
Nephychu, good to see you back, sucks that this is why. I appreciate your comments today though, the kindergarten one made me laugh, thanks.
Shlnbard, enjoy the prayer service. You know me and the gods though, we argue more often than not. Ask the Wind spirit what he thinks. Boreas may want to do something specific in retalitation.
Other dojo ppl, I want your thoughts.
Dracumancer, I can't wait to hear your thoughts.
Later all.

Well to end where we began...
By The Gods....
What a day...

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